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Witness statement of surveillance officer 'Hotel Three'
"About 10.03am I saw the male in the denim jacket enter Stockwell tube station. At about this time I transmitted via my radio a request for directions as to whether or not this male should be detained.
"I received a reply from H5 instructing me to wait and I therefore continued with conventional covert surveillance. (I saw) the male in the denim jacket enter the foyer of Stockwell tube station and take a free copy of the Metro newspaper from a stand on the right hand side of the foyer. He then walked towards the barriers, produced a ticket and passed through the barrier.
"He then turned left and descended down an escalator towards platforms 1 and 2, northbound. About half way down the escalator he started to run and as he left the escalator at the bottom he turned left at the first archway/ entrance on to platform 2, Northern Line northbound.
"As he did so he ran towards a train that was waiting at the platform, entered the carriage directly in front of him before turning right and walking through the carriage before taking a seat on the nearside of the carriage facing the platform opposite the next set of double doors on the carriage. He was sat down with a glass panel to his right about two seats in.
"I took a seat to his left hand side on the same carriage and there were about two or three members of the public between me and the male in the denim jacket. I noticed that there were about two or three members of the public sitting on the seats opposite me.
"After about ten or 15 seconds I saw about four men moving along the platform to my right towards the open double doors opposite the male in the denim jacket. I noticed that these men were dressed in plain clothes and the man in front was carrying a black pistol . . .
"I immediately identified these men as police officers probably from SO19 and decided to identify the male in the denim jacket, who I followed onto the Tube, to them as they appeared to be looking into the carriage as if searching for someone.
"I therefore stood up and walked over to the open carriage doors, directly opposite the man in the denim jacket.
"I placed my left foot against the open carriage door to prevent it shutting with my back against a glass panel with the armed police officers on the platform to my left.
"I shouted 'He's here' and indicated to the male in the denim jacket with my right hand. I then heard shouting which included the word 'police' and turned to face the male in the denim jacket.
"He immediately stood up and advanced towards me and the SO19 officers. He appeared agitated and I noticed that his hands were held below his waist and slightly in front of him. The man did not stand still and advanced to within about three or four feet of myself and the SO19 officers. Assessing that I may be dealing with a terrorist subject and fearing for the safety of the public on the carriage the SO19 officers and myself, I grabbed the male in the denim jacket by wrapping both my arms around his torso pinning his arms to his side. I then pushed him back onto the seat where he had previously been sitting with right hand side of my head pressed against the right hand side of his torso.
"At this stage his body seemed straight and he was not in a naturally sitting position. I then heard a gunshot very close to my ear and was dragged away onto the floor of the carriage.
"I shouted 'police' and held up my hands. I was then dragged out of the carriage by an armed officer who appeared to be carrying a long-barrelled weapon. I heard several gun shots as I was being dragged on to the floor and out of the carriage."
SOURCE:The Times via ITV NEWS
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16 August 2005
For Immediate Release
IPCC Statement: Shooting of Jean Charles de Menezes
We do not know from which organisation or from whom the documents shown on television this evening have come.
The IPCC investigation into the shooting of Mr de Menezes is continuing. Our priority is to disclose any findings direct to the family, who will clearly be distressed that they have received information on television concerning his death.
The IPCC made it clear that we would not speculate or release partial information about the investigation, and that others should not do so. That remains the case.
The IPCC operates a very high degree of security for all such investigations which we regularly review. - www.ipcc.gov.uk
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The head of investigations at the 'Independent' Police Complaints Commission, Roy Clark, who is leading the inquiry into the death of Jean Charles de Menezes, is former Metropolitan Police Deputy Assistant Commissioner Roy Clark, who ran the Met's anti-corruption unit CIB3 'ghost squad' throughout the 1990s (see IPCC press release )
So much for the police no longer investigating themselves.
CIB3 became notorious for its failures under Clark's watch, at a time when the former Commissioner Paul Condon had said there were over 200 corrupt officers in the Met. The worst of these failures involved the murder of private investigator Daniel Morgan (see justice4daniel.org) and most famously the allegations of corruption involving the father of one of Stephen Lawrence's murderers. - Copwatcher
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1) On the day, a senior firearms officer had said that if they had the opportunity to challenge anyone emerging from the block of flats, and there was non-compliance, it would be appropriate to intervene with a fatal shot.
2) No subject coming out of the address should be allowed to run. (Incidentally, the only reason the address was identified was because one of the would-be bombers of 21/7 had the address of a gymnasium there in his bag).
3) De Menezes was observed, after the intelligence officer had finished taking his piss, walking to the bus station in his blue denim jacket, carrying no bags. His description and demeanour were noted, and it was agreed that he matched the profile of an alleged suicide bomber. How? ("Mongolian eyes", I suppose).
4) Gold Command, on the basis of this, gave the okay to shoot-to-kill.
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5) Having taken the bus from Tulse Hill to Stockwell, he walked to the tube station, entered at "walking pace", picked up a Metro, and walked through the ticket gates with his Oyster card. He walked across the concourse and began "slowly descending" the escalator steps.
6) He only ran to catch the tube as it arrived, entered the carriage, looked right and left, then took a seat facing the platform.
7) Here is where it gets strange. He is supposed to have been shot after having been chased and wrestled to the floor. But an intelligence officer's statement says he followed Menezes down the stairs and onto the tube. He was apparently beckoned by police, who did at that point identify themselves. "He stood, and walked towards me", the intelligence officer said. He grabbed Menezes, pulled his arms behind his back and pushed him back into the seat. "I heard a shot in my left ear". The intelligence officer said he was pushed to the floor at that point. A number of officers shot him in the head, seven times. Three bullets missed. One went into his shoulder.
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Peter Power: an ex Scotland Yardie, who just happened to be running a terror drill on the day pof the 7-7 attacks...
he has fingers in corprate pies as a Risk Manager...
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Split-second decision? That is murder in cold blood, following the procedures laid out in the shoot-to-kill policy.
What was also disgusting was the performance of a former Metropolitan Police officer, some kind of bigwig named Peter Powers. That fucking animal of a man did everything he could to justify the killing, saying how terrible it was for the police, a decision made in the space of a few minutes etc. Then he said "I don't know for sure whether we can say that Mr Menezes was totally innocent". Probed about this by a bemused news anchor who noted that the police had already admitted that he was totally innocent, Powers said, "I just find it difficult to believe that he would be shot for ad hoc or whimsical reasons. And I, er, don't want to prejudice the enquiry that is ongoing."
It isn't enough that the police have consistently and persistently lied about Menezes with the effect of smearing him - first as a suicide bomber, then as someone whose behaviour made him a likely one. This prat has to add to it by implying, baselessly, that he might be guilty of some suicide-bombing-related-activity after all.
If there was any justice, the shoot-to-kill policy would have died with Mr Menezes on that tube. But no. You have to "destroy the brain instantly, utterly". They did that alright.
leninology.blogspot.com
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De Menezes family murder charge call
11.49AM, Wed Aug 17 2005 -
Relatives of the Brazilian man shot dead by anti-terror police on a London Tube train want them to be charged with murder.
Officers mistakenly thought Jean Charles de Menezes was a suicide bomber, but recently leaked documents show he did not try to run away from police or vault the ticket barrier before they gunned him down at Stockwell Tube station as initial reports suggested.
According to documents obtained by ITV News, the Brazilian entered the station at a normal walking pace and picked up a copy of a free newspaper. The leaked report also indicated that Mr de Menezes was wearing a light denim jacket and not the heavily padded coat as initially claimed.
Harriet Wistrich, lawyer for the de Menezes family, said they were distressed at the new revelations, calling them "shocking and terrifying" and adding that it raises serious questions about the Metropolitan Police's shoot-to-kill policy.
The family of Mr de Menezes has called for a public inquiry into the death of the electrician.
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On July 22, police had been monitoring a flat in Scotia Road, Tulse Hill, south London, which they believed was linked to the previous day's bomb attempts. The intelligence operation might have been compromised because an officer on the stakeout operation had been unable to record him on video leaving the building because he had gone to the toilet.
Mr de Menezes left the property before taking a bus to Stockwell tube station, where he was shot seven times in the head and once in the shoulder by armed police officers. Three other bullets missed. Scotland Yard Commissioner Sir Ian Blair initially said the shooting was "directly linked" to anti-terror operations but detectives later established he was not connected to attempts to blow up three Underground trains and a bus in the capital the previous day. - ITN
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Lawyers have 14 questions for police who shot Brazilian
Statement from Harriet Wistrich and Gareth Peirce, lawyers for the family of Jean Charles de Menezes, the Brazilian shot dead by police. They were responding to documents leaked to ITV News that contradict claims from police about Mr de Menezes's behaviour before he was shot
Yesterday the family of Jean Charles de Menezes and we, their lawyers, became aware through the press that virtually the entire body of information either placed, or allowed to remain, in the public domain since Jean Charles de Menezes was killed on July 22nd 2005, has been false.
Insofar as the claim of the existence of an official inquiry has contributed to or provided for a situation in which a blanket of secrecy has covered the true facts, and lies and scenarios have been allowed to hold good, we on behalf of the family suggest that claim has constituted a grave public disservice.
In consequence, we ask now that the nature and pace and ultimate objectives of any investigation change. The de Menezes family ask for only one outcome and that that be swift, that is that the entire truth surrounding Jean Charles death be made public now as a matter of urgency.
The public interest coincides completely with the interests of the family. From the beginning the most senior of police officers and government ministers including the Prime Minister, claimed the death of Jean Charles to be an unfortunate accident occurring in the context of an entirely legitimate, justifiable, lawful and necessary policy. In the context of the lies now revealed, that claim has become even less sustainable and even more alarming. It is inconceivable that the true facts as revealed yesterday, were not made known to senior police and ministers immediately; for any to have made comments publicly without first informing themselves of the true facts would have been entirely reckless and wrong.
From the outset the family have raised a number of obvious questions
1. How was Jean Charles de Menezes first identified as a suspect and on what basis?
2. Why was he allowed to board a bus without challenge if he was indeed a suspect?
3. Why was he allowed to continue his journey unchallenged if he was a suspect?
4. Why was he allowed to board an underground train if he was a suspect?
5. When did police identify themselves to him and how?
6. What opportunities were afforded for alternative action other than execution?
7. What alternative means of incapacitating a suspect were available on that day; if alternative means were not available why not, and if they were why were they not used?
etc
8. Where did a "shoot to kill" policy emanate from and on what claimed legal basis? What public debate and democratic accountability surrounded the coming into being of that policy?
9. Why was the suggestion that five bullets were fired allowed to continue as a public assertion, uncorrected, when there were eight (seven to the head)?
10. Why were members of the de Menezes family in the UK, having been made homeless by the securing of Jean Charles' residence, placed inaccessibly in a hotel by the police and the telephones in their rooms ordered to be cut off by the police so that they could not contact Brazil.
11. Why did police officers actively lobby Brazilian officials here to dissuade Jean Charles' parents (without a telephone in Brazil) from obtaining a second post mortem?
12. Why was the pathologist at the post mortem conducted on July 27th, (at which senior investigating police officers were present) told the following:
"This man's death occurred as part of the emergency relating to the planting of bombs on public transport in London. On the morning of the 22nd July 2005 he was pursued by armed police officers as a result of surveillance. He was followed into Stockwell Tube Station where he vaulted over the ticket barrier. He ran downstairs and onto a tube train where it appears that he stumbled. The officers then immobilised him and a number of shots were fired. At the present time I am not sure as to any further details."
13. Why was he not told of the true facts which clearly by then must have been available.
14. What CCTV footage from the outside and inside of Stockwell underground station and from within the underground train exists? If there is none, why is there none?
In the light of many of the questions above having been answered during the last 24 hours by information clearly already in the possession of the police, we emphasise that we are unable to have confidence in any of the investigative processes that are now on offer in this case. We point in particular to the failure of the police, in breach of their statutory duty, to invite the IPPC to commence its investigations from the first moment of the shootings on July 22nd. A fatal delay of several days, we understand, occurred thereafter during which time we are unaware that the IPPC itself proactively attempted to intervene. We have the gravest of concerns.
1. First that evidence may not have been appropriately retrieved by independent investigators and may now have permanently disappeared. We point in particular to the unresolved question as to whether any CCTV footage of the station or the train does in fact exist and was retrieved.
2. We observe that a number of written statements by police officers in direct contradiction to what was previously understood are being revealed through the press; one in particular points to the fact that Jean Charles de Menezes was never in fact, appropriately identified as a suspect from the time of his leaving the house.
3. We do not know whether police officers who appear already to have made statements in this inquiry have made statements under caution and are being treated as suspects in relation to a proper investigation of an unlawful killing, or are being treated instead as only witnesses and not suspected of any level of involvement in what at its lowest must be gross negligence (a potential ground for an accusation of unlawful killing).
4. We do not know at what levels police officers, including senior police officers, are being interviewed and whether under caution or not. We do not know who is being interviewed and by whom?
5. We do not know whether these include senior police, past and present who appeared to believe, wrongly, that they were entitled to order a blanket "shoot to kill" practice.
In these circumstances, on behalf of the family, we suggest that a different, urgent, and open inquiry and public debate take place. It is neither sane nor responsible to have issues of such enormous public importance, as well as of such pain to the family concerned, to be allowed to drift towards an unspecified date at an unspecified and perhaps inappropriate hearing in the future which may too late consider itself to be too limited in any event to consider the important issues that have to be raised here and now.
We underline as a reminder, that immense public debate took place immediately after the shooting of Jean Charles de Menezes. All of that debate took place and was allowed to take place on entirely wrong factual assumptions. We are now in a very different situation. Someone with official access has, it appears, been sufficiently disturbed by that dangerous position, to make internal documents public. In these circumstances, we and the family of Jean Charles de Menezes regard the action of revealing those documents as a true public service and ask that that initiative not now be undermined by renewed secrecy, delay and inactivity on the part of those with responsibility for investigation.
- timesonline.co.uk
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when all else fails: make the Press look like the heroes...
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News Media described as 'putting heat on the Authorities'
Turning up the heat on the police chief, The Times and The Guardian newspapers reported that he asked the Home Office on the day of the killing to stop an independent external investigation. Blair wrote to John Grieve, permanent secretary at the Home Office, to ask for an internal inquiry instead because he felt one by the Independent Police Complaints Commission (IPCC) would impede anti-terror operations, they said. Senior police and government sources told The Guardian that the commissioner had also been worried an outside investigation would damage the morale of an elite firearms squad involved in the operation, known as CO19.
"We did make an error, the IPCC should have been called immediately," the police source was quoted as telling the daily.
After an exchange of views, Blair's request was overruled by the Home Office, which said the IPCC was legally obliged to investigate.
A statement from Scotland Yard on Wednesday, however, showed -- contrary to normal practice -- IPCC investigators were kept away from Stockwell station for a further three days.
In another blunder, the Daily Mirror reported that Metropolitan Police Commander Cressida Dick instructed officers tailing de Menezes to detain him before he entered the subway station. Despite the command, he was shot dead. - asia.news.yahoo.com
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...and humanise the authorites...
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Armed team was told to take suspect alive
By Adam Luck - August 18, 2005
THE senior police officer at the centre of the operation that led to the death of Jean Charles de Menezes had ordered him to be taken alive, it was reported last night. Commander Cressida Dick instructed officers to "detain" the Brazilian moments before he was shot at Stockwell Tube station.
The 27-year-old electrician had emerged from a block of flats connected with one of the failed London suicide bombers which had been under surveillance by undercover police.
Details of the exact commands between Commander Dick and the various police teams during the operation are likely to come under intense scrutiny. The 44-year-old Oxford graduate was Gold Command - in charge of the firearms unit - on Friday, July 22 when the shooting happened.
Commander Dick, one of the Metropolitan Police's most senior women officers, is considered as a potential future chief constable. She would have been responsible for setting in train Operation Kratos, the new tactics allowing officers to kill suspected suicide bombers.
During the operation she was based in the control room at Scotland Yard, keeping track of officers' movements. Commander Dick is well respected within the force and there is widespread sympathy for the Commander, who is reported to have been "devastated" by the shooting.
She worked her way up from beat officer in the West End of London and is known as Cress by colleagues. - timesonline.co.uk
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STATEMENT BY LEN DUVALL, CHAIR OF THE METROPOLITAN POLICE AUTHORITY
I want to express, once again, the MPA's deepest condolences to the family and friends of Jean Charles de Menezes for their tragic loss, and also to all those who lost loved ones in the 7 July London bombings.
Mr de Menezes was a wholly innocent victim caught up in the terrible events of 7 and 21 July when suicide bombers struck at the heart of our capital for the very first time.
That a young man in the prime of life should have that life cut short through no fault of his own is not only of huge regret but also for his family and friends, unbearable and wholly incomprehensible.
The Metropolitan Police Authority will do everything in its power to ensure that whatever the circumstances surrounding the fatal shooting of Mr de Menezes, the full facts and truth will be made known.
In the meantime, the Metropolitan Police and all agencies involved are cooperating fully with the IPCC, which has a complex and difficult investigation to conduct and does not need to be distracted by leaks and speculation. That investigation should be conducted speedily and thoroughly so as to lessen if at all possible the family's suffering and hasten a conclusion.
The officers directly involved in the shooting will also be under immense strain and they too must be supported and kept informed of the progress of the investigation.
We must not forget that on 22 July London was on high alert following the 7 July bombings and the 21 July attempted bombings and all those involved were faced with life and death decisions that had to be taken within seconds of unfolding events. London is facing a potential threat to the safety of its inhabitants on a scale that is unprecedented in our history. This means calculated risks have to be taken, often by necessity in haste, and mistakes are therefore likely.
Whatever the final outcome of the IPCC investigation, undoubtedly there will be lessons to learn for all those concerned and the MPA, working closely with the Metropolitan Police will be at the forefront of assisting with the swift implementation of any changes in tactics, guidelines or law thought necessary.
Meanwhile, the brave, hardworking and professional men and women who make up the Metropolitan Police Service and who are at the forefront of the ongoing police operations to keep our capital safe from further terrorist outrages, deserve our continuing and wholehearted support.
- via noticias.info
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Ex-Cambs cop leads Tube shooting probe
Fri Aug 19 2005 - FORMER top Cambridgeshire officer John Cummins has been handed the lead role in the investigation into the shooting of John de Menezes at Stockwell station in London. Mr Cummins has been appointed by the Independent Police Complaints Commission to lead the investigation to establish the circumstances surrounding the Brazilian's death. He joined the IPCC last year after a 30-year career with Cambridgeshire Police.
Mr Cummins left Cambridgeshire after rising to the rank of Det Supt and leading the force's Professional Standards Department. He joined the IPCC at its inception in April 2004 and is now one of three senior investigators covering London and the South East. He was previously senior investigator for another high profile IPCC case into the police action in Parliament Square during the pro-hunt demonstrations last September.
His current investigation into the Stockwell tube shooting is expected to take between three and six months. A file is then expected to be submitted to the Crown Prosecution Service for a decision on possible criminal charges against the police officers involved. The file will also be made available to the coroner, although a full inquest is likely to be delayed pending any possible criminal proceedings.
Mr De Menzes was shot by police on suspicion of beeing a suicide bomber. However, police have come under fire following a leaked report into the circumstances surrounding his death. - cambridge-news.co.uk
note: Cambridgeshire officer John Cummins speciality appears to be Kidnap & Extortion
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De Menezes cousin slams police 'lies'
11.43AM, Fri Aug 19 2005
- The cousin of Jean Charles de Menezes has accused Met Police Commissioner Sir Ian Blair of telling "lies" about the circumstances surrounding the Brazilian's death.
The family of Mr Menezes, who was shot dead by anti-terrorism officers, demanded answers to a a series of questions surrounding the circumstances of how he died.
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Alessandro Pereira, 25, the cousin of Jean Charles de Menezes said: "I want Ian Blair to think how it felt having to ring Jean's mother and father, our family in Brazil and tell them that their son was dead, that he was killed in such a way.
"I want Ian Blair to imagine how we felt having to listen to the lies about Jean, about why he died, to see Ian Blair on television telling those lies.
"The police know Jean was innocent and yet they let my family suffer, they let us suffer, Ian Blair let us suffer.
"For three weeks we have had to listen to lie after lie about Jean and how he was killed." - ITN
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Brazil team to probe tube death
ISN SECURITY WACH (Friday, 19 August: 15.06 GMT) - Brazilian investigators will fly to London next week to discuss with British officials the shooting of Jean Charles de Menezes by police. Brazil wants the Independent Police Complaints Commission (IPCC) to clarify conflicting reports of how Menezes was shot dead by police at Stockwell station on 22 July.
Investigation papers leaked to the media this week contradicted the police version of events. Police had earlier said Menezes was being pursued as a possible suspect in the failed 21 July bombing of the London transport system and had run from police. They also said he had been wearing a heavy coat that could have hidden a bomb. New evidence suggests that Menezes had not run from the police, but was running to catch a train. It also appears he was wearing a light denim jacket. The IPCC said Scotland Yard had "initially resisted" its attempts to launch an investigation into the shooting.
- isn.ethz.ch
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the leak is damage control
so we see yet another 'leak', and now observe the news media assert that it was all a big accident.
it is also asserted that they thought Menezes was Osman Hussein...one of the July 21st 'fake bombers'
because they were both using a Gym pass or something...
so incredibly daft its maddening.
then we have yet more xenophobic psyops- seeking to demonise
What the FUCK?!
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"One of the clinching factors in the mistaken identification appears to have been the fact that some of the officers agreed Mr de Menezes had the 'same Mongolian eyes' as one of the terror suspects." - Daily Mail
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this is all to let these nutjobs get the accidental death verdict and prejudice / steer the coming
case
It is damage limitation designed to distract and confuse and maybe see Iain Blair falling on his sword... anyone but those at the top, like the obviously mentally ill Blair [and Junta], eh? We have seen this damage control and smearing somewhere else: Kelly Walter Mitty jibes by Geoff Hoon and the Hutton whitewash
The second 'attacks' on the 21st July were NOT suicide bombs, Osman Hussein has said since that these devices were designed just to scare people.
The CCTV if it is to be believed, has the bombers walking away from the devices ...otherwise they would have been caught red handed with flour all over them
yes...you read that right, FLOUR
Reminder
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My Tube bomb only had flour in it, says suspect
(Filed: 04/08/2005) Hamdi Issac, the July 21 London bomb suspect held in custody in Rome, reportedly claimed yesterday that his backpack contained only flour and was designed merely to frighten. Issac, known in Britain as Hussain Osman, was said to have "morally repented" for his alleged involvement in the abortive terrorist attacks. -Telegraph
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Surely the Police / intelligence services involved in 'tracking' Menezes
would have known the dubious make-up of this '2nd wave of bombs' even a day later...
oh yes we are being spun another yarn - that these boys were SO17 & NOT the DET
14th Intelligence special ops dirty tricks brigade
The whole 'Leaked Memo' Psyop is yet again another example of distraction
away from the sickening possibility, that these special forces
were deliberately targetting and silencing Menezes as part of a death-squad operation
so why were they silencing this ELECTRICIAN?
[hint: power surge initially reported as blasts hit
and stockwell tube northern line closed on 7-7-2005
at 6:30 until 8:30 in the morning]
but even these reports were contradictory
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Flashback: Several hurt as Tube 'power' blasts shut down network
07/07/2005 - 09:54:39 - According to Tube infrastructure company Metronet, which is responsible for maintaining the Metropolitan line, today's incident was caused "by some kind of power surge". A spokesman went on: "We don't know the extent of the problem yet."
- IOL
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"The National Grid, which supplies power to the Underground, said there had been no problems with its system which could have contributed to the incidents."
back up of BBC story from the 7th July
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Northern line 7am?
Reply to:What was your personal experience of yesterday?
Posted by: billmoowar on 08/07/05 at 02:11 PM
What i can't understand is why nothing has been reported about the events at 7am yesterday morning on the Northen line from Stockwell to Morden
I was due to pick up a work collegue from there, but turned up to see the staion closed and an entourage of tube emergency vans, police and the like. As i followed the line down, all the otherstations were shut.
Had there been a tip off? did they know something was going to happen before it did? I think so. There were hundreds of people being turned away from those stations before any of the bombs went off. I think there is a massive cover up by the government and they new there was somethng going to happen.
Was anyone there at any of those stations being turned away at 7am-8am?
This is London forums
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The original version of 'events' seem to have been garnered
from witness statements which were amplified through the media
after all, apparently, it wasn't an empty tube carraige..[was it?]
Teri Godly, Rob Lowe, Anthony Larkin, Chris Martin &
Mark Whitby being examples, who appeared on TV
and in the press, many times
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Commuter Teri Godly said she stood next to the man before police charged in. "A tall Asian guy, shaved head, slight beard, with a rucksack got in front of me. Shortly after that, as I was about to get onto the train, eight or nine undercover police with walkie talkies and handguns started screaming at everyone to 'get out, get out'." [Source]
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Another passenger, Rob Lowe, 33, from Balham, saw the incident from another viewpoint in the carriage. "The tube was stationary and then a man came on who I presume now to be a plain-clothes policeman, but at the time I didn't know who he was," he said.
"He was looking quite shifty, getting up and sitting back down again. I felt a bit awkward around him. And then he seemed to shout at some people on the other platform, who then all came rushing. The tube suddenly filled up with loads of people running down to the end of my carriage. "Then I heard probably four or five loud bangs and saw a bit of smoke "I have never heard a gun go off before but the bangs sounded like what I would presume a gun to sound like." [Source]
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Anthony Larkin, another passenger, said he thought the shot man had been wearing a bomb belt. "I saw these police officers in uniform and out of uniform shouting 'get down, get down', and I saw this guy who appeared to have a bomb belt and wires coming out and people were panicking and I heard two shots being fired," he said.
Ben Anderson, in the next carriage, spoke of confusion and more shouting. "A lot of people were screaming. The first gunshot was fired and I started to run out of the Tube and up the stairs and then there were a lot of shots afterwards. Outside the police were everywhere, they cordoned off the area very quickly.
[source]
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Journalist Chris Martin said he was waiting on the northbound Northern line platform at Stockwell station and a train had pulled in when several men burst on to the platform about 20 yards from him.
"There was a lot of shouting, I thought it was football fans or something," he said.
"There was obviously some sort of altercation going on, and then they came flying on to the platform and these guys just threw this man into the open doors of the train.
"Then I heard shots, I thought it was three but someone else said five.
"It sounded like a silencer gun going off, and then there was blind panic, with people shouting and screaming and just running away.
This is London
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below: more witnesses
The chase, the shooting and the fear at Stockwell station
Saturday July 23, 2005 guardian.co.uk
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Mark Whitby, 47, was in the carriage at Stockwell station where police shot dead a suspect:
"An Asian guy ran on to the train. As he ran, he was hotly pursued by what I knew to be three plain-clothes police officers. "He tripped and was also pushed to the floor and one of the officers shot him five times.
"One of the police officers was holding a black automatic pistol in his left hand. They held it down to him and unloaded five shots into him. I saw it. He's dead, five shots, he's dead.
"I'm totally distraught. It was no more than five yards away from where I was sitting as I saw it with my own eyes.
"As the man got on the train I looked at his face. He looked from left to right, but he basically looked like a cornered rabbit, like a cornered fox. He looked absolutely petrified. "He looked like a Pakistani but he had a baseball cap on, and quite a thickish coat. It was a coat like you would wear in winter, a sort of padded jacket.
"Maybe he might have had something concealed under there, I don't know. But it looked out of place in the weather we've been having. "He was quite large, big built, quite a sort of chubby guy. "I was crouched down and basically ran as fast as I could in a crouched position. I just was worried about bullets flying around."It was just an instinctive reaction to get out - people running in all directions, looks of horror on their faces, screaming, a lot of screaming from women, absolute mayhem."And the smell of cordite as well, the gunpowder smell, that sort of acrid sort of gunpowder smell."It was an absolute nightmare. I'm just waiting for the pubs to open to be quite honest - nice stiff Scotch."I've never seen anything like it in my life. I saw them kill a man basically. I saw them shoot a man five times."
[see also secondary slightly different source]
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Simon Dixon, a solicitor, was also on the train:
"All of a sudden there was loads of shouting. It looked first of all like it was a group of guys running to jump on the tube before it went. Then there were about 10 policemen with Heckler and Koch machine guns."I realised what had happened. Probably they had chased this guy into the carriage. Effectively police were sitting on top of him, pinning him to the ground. There were six to eight shots, presumably from the machine guns. The police were screaming 'Get off, get off', at which point everyone started running up the escalator."
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Georgia Law was in a nearby carriage:
"I heard popping sounds that sounded like gunshots but quite quiet ones. I could hear people shouting 'get down' and 'run, run.'
"I thought there was someone shooting randomly so I lay down on the floor of the carriage. Then I decided to get up and have a look out. I could see someone lying on the floor and police standing all around. It was all quite panicky so I ran up the platform and out of the tube.
"I thought, I have just got to run but if I get shot I get shot. I didn't realise it was the police shooting."
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Sarah Simpkin, 27, of Brixton, was travelling to London Bridge:
"I heard five bangs. Everyone was screaming and running off the Northern line on to the Victoria line platform but I went the wrong way. I banged on the doors of the Victoria line train and the driver opened the doors and told everyone to get in. Then we got on to the train and got down low on the floor. There was a guy trying to calm us down. We got out at Pimlico and someone said they saw a woman with blood on her."
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Chris Wells, 28, a company manager, was leaving the station when he saw about 20 police officers:
"There were at least 20 of them and they were carrying big black guns. The next thing I saw was this guy jump over the barriers and the police officers were chasing after him and everyone was shouting 'get out, get out'."
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Jason Dines was on a train stopped at a platform opposite the shooting when he saw "all hell break loose":
"I saw from the window there was suddenly a contagious wave of panic sweeping across the platform. It was not constructive. "People were trying to get out. We hadn't heard anything and didn't know what was happening. Suddenly everyone on my train started banging on the windows trying to get out of the carriages and get out of the station."People were screaming for them to open the doors but they wouldn't. Then suddenly they did and all hell broke loose and people were running everywhere. "But then an announcement came over the PA ordering everyone to get back on the trains. Eventually they did and the doors were closed."There were people from the other train who scrambled on to ours. They had obviously seen what had happened. They were visibly shaking and saying they had seen a man shot dead."
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If Whitby and the others are real witnesses ...why were the media parading them
straight after the incident?
surely this would be prejudicing any legal matters arising
and the police would need these statements on these events...
Surely would prejudice a jury in a Public inquiry
[not that we can expect on in this country, these days]
as we have seen it seems to have been used
to bolster and corroborate evidence given to the coroner
by those responsible...
12. Why was the pathologist at the post mortem conducted on July 27th, (at which senior investigating police officers were present) told the following:
"This man's death occurred as part of the emergency relating to the planting of bombs on public transport in London. On the morning of the 22nd July 2005 he was pursued by armed police officers as a result of surveillance. He was followed into Stockwell Tube Station where he vaulted over the ticket barrier. He ran downstairs and onto a tube train where it appears that he stumbled. The officers then immobilised him and a number of shots were fired. At the present time I am not sure as to any further details."
- timesonline.co.uk
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I'm still left with the question :
if these people tracking Menezes thought he was a suicide bomber
why let him board a bus...twice???
and then...stroll down through the station, down the escalators
and onto the train
according to the medias account of the 'leaked IPCC document' - he had several plain clothes operatives around him on the tube...
several seats away... and by the doors
even the latest reports of the memos are contradictory
with some saying CCTV was not available and
some saying there is CCTV evidence to show what happened
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CCTV cameras weren't running when cops gunned down an innocent man on the Tube, it is claimed.
16th Aug 2005 -
Brazilian Jean Charles de Menezes was shot dead inside Stockwell Tube station when armed officers mistook him for a suicide bomber. Post-mortem tests showed the 27-year-old electrician had been blasted eight times.
According to a national newspaper, in-station security cameras may not have been working.
The Independent Police Complaints Commission (IPCC) is investigating the shooting.
If the CCTV was not working, it will have to rely on witnesses. - /icsouthlondon.icnetwork.co.uk
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The Brazilian man mistakenly shot dead by the Metropolitan Police on a train at Stockwell station was killed by guns fired by two police officers, senior police sources said on Tuesday night.
ITV News also said the evidence to the IPCC said the CCTV cameras at Stockwell station were working and showed Mr de Menezes as behaving normally, and did not vault the barriers, another of the Met's early claims.
He even stopped to pick up a free newspaper. He only started running when he saw a Tube at the platform.
FT .com
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Where is this CCTV footage?
More Lies From The British Police On The de Menezes Murder
By Chris Talbot - 25 August 2005 - World Socialist Web
More evidence has emerged relating to the July 22 police killing of the young Brazilian Jean Charles de Menezes in London, providing further proof that the police systematically lied about the subway shooting and have been conducting a cover-up, with the aid of the Labour government of Prime Minister Tony Blair and a largely compliant media.
Claims that there were no closed-circuit television tapes of the underground tube station where de Menezes was shot dead by eight bullets fired at close range have been refuted by the staff working at the station. According to Monday's London Evening Standard, the staff were "amazed and furious" when told by police that tapes from the cameras were blank.
An official with the rail workers' union said that at least three of the four cameras were working. "It is most unusual to say the least," he said of the police claims. Normal procedure is that tapes are replaced every 24 hours and kept for 28 days, and it is inconceivable that station staff would not keep to this procedure shortly after the July 7 bombings of the capital's transport network that killed 56 people and a failed attempt to detonate devices on July 21.
- countercurrents.org
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we also have contradictions in that some reports
are asserting Menezes was shot
while sitting in his seat
'UK cops assassinated innocent man'
agencies- Posted online: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 at 1121 hours IST
London, August 17: An innocent Brazilian man, shot dead by British police who mistook him for a London bombing suspect, had taken a seat on a train and was tackled by a police surveillance officer before being shot, according to an account of events.
British police had claimed that 27-year-old electrician Jean Charles de Menezes didn't obey an order to stop as they tailed him into London's Stockwell Underground train station a day after a series of bombs planted on London's transit system failed to fully detonate.
Menezes had emerged from a house that police had under surveillance, believing it was linked to the bombings.
Britain's ITV Television News, citing security footage, had claimed that Menezes entered the station at a normal walking pace, stopping to pick up a newspaper.
The television station claimed that witness accounts included in an investigation report, said Menezes was seated on the train before being shot.
A man sitting opposite Menezes is quoted as saying: "within a few seconds I saw a man coming into the double doors to my left."
"He was pointing a small black handgun towards a person sitting opposite me. He pointed the gun at the right hand side of the man's head. The gun was within 12 inches of the man's head when the first shot was fired."
[who is this witness???]
The report obtained by ITV said while Menezes was shot eight times, a further three bullets were fired but missed. ITV said the documents came from an official investigation into Menezes' death. - agencies via expressindia.com
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and some saying, according to the news reports
after he was identified by an undercover officer
to the armed response unit
he got up and walked towards firearms
officers at the door
and was then held and shot
as all this testimony within the IPCC document
is from the intelligence services...
Can it be trusted???
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Leaked documents, believed to be from the IPCC inquiry suggest Mr de Menezes was sitting calmly in the Tube carriage, surrounded by surveillance officers, moments before police stormed in and fired eight bullets into him.
According to the documents, an officer grabbed Mr de Menezes, pinned his arms down, and pushed him back on a seat before he was shot. Mr de Menezes's cousin, Alex Alvez Pereira, said: "The officers who have done this have to be sent to jail for life because it's murder and the people who gave them the order to shoot must be punished."
According to a statement in the leaked report, one of the surveillance officers, codenamed Hotel Three, saw four firearms officers approaching the suspect at Stockwell station.
The witness statement said at least three surveillance officers were positioned. "I immediately identified these men as police [firearms] officers probably from SO19 and decided to identify the male in the denim jacket who I followed on to the Tube to them as they appeared to be looking into the carriage as if searching for someone."
Hotel Three stood up and walked to the carriage doors. "I placed my left foot against the open carriage door to prevent it shutting ... I shouted 'He's here' and indicated to the male in the denim jacket with my right hand. I then heard shouting which included the word 'police' and turned to face the male in the denim jacket."
The officer said Mr de Menezes then stood up and walked to within a few feet of him. "I grabbed the male in the denim jacket by wrapping both my arms around his torso pinning his arms to his side. I then pushed him back on to the seat where he had previously been sitting ... I then heard a gunshot very close to my ear and was dragged away on to the floor of the carriage." Mr de Menezes was shot eight times, seven times in the head, once in the shoulder. Three bullets missed him.
Statements from witnesses had said earlier that Mr de Menezes was followed from his flat in Tulse Hill on to the bus that took him to Stockwell station.
independent.co.uk
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Statements from witnesses?
what witness would know that some guy was being followed?
or are these witnesses the Intelligence services?
2008 before anyone appears in court, if at all.
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There is also certain to be a row over claims last night that it may take years before the IPCC's findings are published.
Officials there have confirmed to The Times that their files have to go to the coroner and possibly the Crown Prosecution Service and cannot be published until a decision has been taken on an inquest and the possible prosecution of officers involved in the shooting.
On past experience, it could well be 2008 before anyone appears in court, if at all.
Lawyers for the family are sure to question this delay after John Wadham, deputy head of the IPCC, had said that the work could be wrapped up in six months. The Justice4Jean campaign is puzzled why it should take that long.
All the key witnesses have given statements. Campaigners say that there is no lengthy forensic inquiry needed as the facts of how Mr de Menezes died are not an issue.
'Blood money' and leaks: how a week went sour for the Met
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the facts of how Mr de Menezes died are not an issue???
But if the coroner was told LIES then it places the whole process of the context of Menezes death into question, surely?
Why was the coroner spun a yarn???...What were the authorites trying to hide?
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"I now believe that I could have been looking at the surveillance officer"
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'FRIGHTENED witnesses' change their story???
FRIGHTENED witnesses thought they saw Jean Charles de Menezes, wearing a padded jacket, vault the barrier at Stockwell station and run on to a train.
But what they probably saw were plain-clothes policemen in pursuit of a man who was walking slowly onto the Tube.
But one of the few people in the same carriage as Mr de Menezes said there were still unanswered questions about what happened last month.
Mark Whitby, 47, a plumber from Brixton, was sitting on the opposite side of the carriage, five yards down.
"I was reading my paper when I heard shouting. There were three people pushing and shoving and shouting, 'Get down, get out'. I didn't hear 'freeze' or 'get your hands up' or even 'police'. "They were wearing scruffy street wear. There was nothing to identify them as police. One of them had a black handgun and I saw them bundle a fourth man to the floor. He was wearing a grey baseball cap and thick jacket and I saw the gun pointing at the ground.
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"I have thought long and hard about it and I now believe that I could have been looking at the surveillance officer. I certainly didn't see a denim jacket."
Mr Whitby, who has given a statement to the Independent Police Complaints Commission, also revealed that he heard two separate bursts of gunfire. "I was inside the carriage when the first five shots went off and then I heard another three as I was running up the stairs. I thought, 'there's a gun battle going on'."
At the time, Mr Whitby believed that he had seen a terrorist pursued by police who tripped and was then thrown to the ground as the plain-clothes officers shot him in the head. He now believes that what he actually saw was the surveillance officer being thrown out of the way as Mr de Menezes was shot.
Chris Wells, 28, a company manager, was among several who said he believed he had seen the suspect vault the barriers - but was probably looking at one of several plainclothes officers.
Police now need to explain why they did not correct these impressions.
Irish Examiner
Telegraph
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'FRIGHTENED witnesses' change their story???
...Having myself lived in London, it is not as unusual as the above story asserts...to see someone jump the ticket barrier.
Let's remember also, that everyone was just going about their business, and no-one was aware of the existence of a 'shoot to kill policy' or an Operation Kratos on the streets of London. We only have the 24 hr a day over the top media to believe, that there is a 'climate of fear in Britain'
- The kind of media who make these kind of 'errors' constantly: Question: is this an error or just a 'made up' 'fact'?
Mark Whitby: Plumber or Surveyor?
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'"He kind of tripped and fell and three plain-clothed policemen fell on top of him," said Mr Whitby, a 47-year-old surveyor from Brixton. '
examiner.ie
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Mark Whitby, 47, a plumber from Brixton, was sitting on the opposite side of the carriage, five yards down.
icsouthlondon.icnetwork.co.uk
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Were the witnesses told by the authorities that 'an agent' in a dark coat
was the 'terror suspect' as a way of controlling this shoot to kill operation?
for instance, we might have a situation whereby
an actor was playing the
role of 'Bald Asian dark coated
terror suspect' and 5 blanks were fired - loudly
while at the same time, silencers shot Menezes
as the ensuing distraction caused
confusion and was 'witnessed'
if they were, it would suggest that the operation was
not an accidental shooting but a planned co-ordinated HIT
with contingencies made for media steering...
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FRIGHTENED witnesses thought they saw Jean Charles de Menezes, wearing a padded jacket, vault the barrier at Stockwell station and run on to a train.
'What did witnesses really see?' -
Irish Examiner/
Telegraph
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Notice also that the 'Main Wintess' Mark Whitby
says he was running away when he heard MORE shooting
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"I was inside the carriage when the first five shots went off and then I heard another three as I was running up the stairs. I thought, 'there's a gun battle going on'."
'What did witnesses really see?' - Irish Examiner / Telegraph
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Notice: Whitby is being associated
in this new story
'What did witnesses really see?' -
Irish Examiner /
Telegraph
with the witness to the 'Barrier vaulting'
when his testimony places him ON THE TRAIN
two places at once???
did he run down the stairs
and along the platform
with the mysterious barrier vaulting
persons unknown
and watch himself get on the train
of course not!
it was Chris Wells who apparently saw the barrier jumping
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Chris Wells, 28, a company manager, was among several who said he believed he had seen the suspect vault the barriers -
but was probably looking at one of several plainclothes officers.
'What did witnesses really see?'
Irish Examiner/
Telegraph
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"probably looking at one of several plainclothes officers"??? Isn't that an assertion? Not actually a quote of Chris Wells
retracting his statement of what he saw
so why all the news media attention in the 'What did witnesses really see?' news story to Mark Whitby,
with only one line given to the 'real eye opener' Chris Wells?????
original testimony of Chris Wells in the Guardian:
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Chris Wells, 28, a company manager, was leaving the station when he saw about 20 police officers:
"There were at least 20 of them and they were carrying big black guns. The next thing I saw was this guy jump over the barriers and the police officers were chasing after him and everyone was shouting 'get out, get out'."
The chase, the shooting and the fear at Stockwell station
Saturday July 23, 2005 guardian.co.uk
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er...confused yet?
!!!
???
I would suggest:
That the NEW 'Whitby filled story' of
Chris Wells seeing plain clothed men jump the barrier
is yet another device
to prove there was a certain amount of Life or death
anxiety to the killing, and that blind panic
ensued mistakes were made and
judgements were blurred
'it was all an accident....'
I now put it to you your honour
that there was NO VAULTING of any barriers
Menezes was tracked silently
and MURDERED in cold blood
and the story was firstly invented
to assert that Menezes
was a terrorist
and is now being spun to assert
Blind panic
as our boys in blue struggle to protect
innocent lives
against 'suicide bombers'
and how exactly does a witnesses latest admission [see Whitbys statement]...that he now thinks he witnessed an agent
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"I have thought long and hard about it and I now believe that I could have been looking at the surveillance officer. I certainly didn't see a denim jacket."
'What did witnesses really see?'
Irish Examiner
Telegraph
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They are using Mark Whitby to cast doubt upon Chris Wells testimony
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Update:
"I now believe that I am a psyop!!!"
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'It must be true', says de Menezes shooting witness
Aug 19 2005 - Exclusive By Chris Pragnell And Gareth Dorrian, South London Press
SHOCK revelations surrounding the Jean Charles de Menezes shooting must be true, says a key witness. The innocent Brazilian was gunned down in Stockwell Tube station by cops thinking he was a bomber. Brixton resident Mark Whitby was yards away in the same carriage.
Various witnesses said they saw an Asian man wearing bulky clothing directly involved in the action. But Mr Whitby says that man - who may have vaulted a ticket barrier - is likely to have been an undercover cop trailing Mr de Menezes.
"What's been on the news this week is as close to the truth as you're going to get," he told the South London Press. "I think the guy I saw being bundled out of the way might have been a surveillance officer who was following him."
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Mr Whitby, 47, described what he saw: "There was a mass of bodies and I saw a gun being lowered and I heard the shots. "Mr de Menezes must have been ahead of the officers. The guy in the thick coat can't have been him."
icsouthlondon.icnetwork.co.uk
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How can Whitby be on the carriage witnessing Menezes getting shot & not notice or remember Menezes or the denim Jacket???
why is he still asserting there was a bundle, when the leaked documents, apparently reveal there was a direction given by one of the people tracking him to the Firearms unit...as he held the door of the tube carriage open - "that's him"
we still have confusion...whether Menezes stood up & walked towards the armed officers or whether he was shot as he sat in his seat
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What an oppurtune time to change your mind as a witness, after the coroners verdict...
What is making me doubt the veracity of these events is
that intelligence operatives are being referred to
as 'witnesses'
surveillance officer 'Hotel Three' and others... are intelligence officers involved in the case... part of a process that apparently led to the death of a 27 year old man. They are the accused.
in a best case scenario they are complicit in a
bodged operation via bad surveillance [taking a piss...then guessing]
a failure to communicate, this error
and then further in the carriage
we also have in the above 'Hotel Three witness testimony'
a contradiction in that everything seems a little calmer
than all of the passenger witnesses describe
we have descriptions of people banging the side
of the windows freaking out
people running up the stairs
getting asked if they need counciling
Mark Whitbys testimony seems weird
in that he says he saw a bundle, shouting and confusion
yet the testimony by the agent says they
grabbed his arms and pushed
the victim into his seat
whereby the armed officers then shot him
in the head 7 times
if the agent was restraining him and the extra
bullet hit the victim in the shoulder...
the photo i have shows machine guns being
held by two officers in the road afterwards
Special forces? Anti terrorist branch SO 12-13?
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i wouldn't have been happy being the agent
restraining him, if someone shot past me
with a 'long barreled weapon [machine gun?]
i could have got shot also ...[not good for morale!]
Mark Whitby has said he thought there was a
gun battle going on
as he ran up the stairs
with 2 bursts of gunfire
How did he witness the shooting
then get out in and up the stairs
in time to hear more gunshots???
we have a strange situation where all 'witness statements'
are cast into doubt because of the track record
of the sensationalist nature
of the reporting by the news media
and the spinning of officials as witnesses
doesn't help one bit
it has led me to suggesting a rather dramatic scenario:
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Menezes was murdered before-hand...either by accident, or on purpose because he knew too much about previous scenarios [7-7-2005]
so...Special ops needed to place him in this scenario to cover the
act of cold blooded murder with one of 'accidental shoot to kill'.
Did the media spun witnesses actually see
a stage-managed piece of theatre?
Tall Asian man in dark coat with a rucksack
Bang! Bang bang!! smoke cordite...effects...
everyone runs away....from the scene
so now the tube is evacuated
his body was placed in position
and photographed - for the coroner to be told how it happened
to prove he was on the train all along.
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Those who report & those who
are charged with the job of security/policing
are all responsible for telling the truth...
not spinning events to suit and steer the political
climate into one of xenophobia and suspicion
and coming to conclusions
so I have more question
why didn't the authorities put the press
straight on a few issues?
why did Iain Blair announce with gusto
the same thing that got
repeated to the coroner ?
its the same balony
that we have been fed
from the News Media
that the victim was running away
and had a heavy jacket on
and ignored vocal warnings
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12. Why was the pathologist at the post mortem conducted on July 27th, (at which senior investigating police officers were present) told the following:
"This man's death occurred as part of the emergency relating to the planting of bombs on public transport in London. On the morning of the 22nd July 2005 he was pursued by armed police officers as a result of surveillance. He was followed into Stockwell Tube Station where he vaulted over the ticket barrier. He ran downstairs and onto a tube train where it appears that he stumbled. The officers then immobilised him and a number of shots were fired. At the present time I am not sure as to any further details."
- Lawyers have 14 questions for police who shot Brazilian
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This is proof that the authorities LIED to pathologists.
That Menezes is just another
VICTIM of state sanctioned Murder &
subsequent perception Management
and Psychological operations to Lie, invent
distort and create confusion & fear
in Spin Ridden, Police State NeoUK
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the whole witness scenario is a PSYOP... they spin it one way ...and if it doesn't fly... they spin it another way
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classic example
David C Kelly was a good enough scientist to advise HMG on WMD
and be a world respected expert on WMD proliferation
but was labelled a 'walter mitty character' when it came to the select affairs commitee
look what happened to him...er
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spin 1: Menezes was reported as running away, jumping the ticket barrier
[implying he was guilty & deserved action]
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spin 2: it was the cops who jumped the barrier
[implying the cops were in a state of panic - doing their
best to protect and serve in a time of crises]
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Apparently The IPCC has refused to answer claims that one of its members has been sacked over leaking documents and photographs of the murder.
This has been spun in the news media as a definite sacking...this still cannot be verified.
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'Menezes whistleblower suspended'
Posted online: Saturday, August 20, 2005 at 0141 hours IST - LONDON: The person who leaked documents about an inquiry into the London Police's shooting of Jean-Charles de Menezes has been suspended, the BBC and Sky news said on Friday.
The whistleblower was not identified, but was said to belong to the Independent Police Complaints Commission (IPCC)-the police watchdog that is currently investigating the killing of Menezes.
The Police Complaints Commission has refused to either confirm or deny the reported suspension of the whistleblower, which came barely two days after ITV News broadcast exclusive revelations about the shooting. Spokesman David Nicholson said in a statement, ''We do not comment on personnel matters.'' At the same time, he noted, ''The IPCC and the Metropolitan Police recognise that the unauthorised disclosure of information cannot be ignored and must be addressed.'' -AFP/PTI
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meanwhile Iain Blair still links Menezes with 'terrorists'
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Sir Ian urges context on Menezes
20 August 2005 -
Sir Ian Blair has urged the public not to let the shooting of Jean Charles de Menezes overshadow the deaths of 52 victims of the London bombers. The Metropolitan Police Commissioner told BBC Radio 4 the police took responsibility for the Brazilian man's death on 22 July, and had apologised. But he said: "We can't let that one tragic death outweigh all others."
Police shot Mr Menezes after mistaking him for a suicide bomber. His family has called for Sir Ian to resign. The family has accused him of lying about aspects of the shooting, and of attempting a cover-up. The incident came a day after the failed 21 July attacks on the London Underground and a bus.
The context here is the largest criminal inquiry in English history with 52 innocent victims dead - Sir Ian Blair
Investigation papers leaked to the media this week seemed to contradict initial police statements and eyewitness accounts of events.
And the Independent Police Complaints Commission has said Scotland Yard "initially resisted" the regulator's attempts to launch an investigation into the shooting. In an interview on Radio 4's Talking Politics show - to be broadcast later on Saturday - Sir Ian rejected the allegations.
"The thing that I would want to say is that of all the allegations made in the last couple of days, the matter I would most want to reject is the concept of a cover-up. "If one was going to cover something up, you wouldn't cover it up by writing a letter delivered by hand to the permanent secretary at the Home Office, the chairman of the Metropolitan Police Authority and the chairman of the Independent Police Complaints Commission itself."
Sir Ian called for Mr Menezes' death to be put in context. "Tragic as the death of Mr Menezes is, and we have apologised for it and we take responsibility for it, it is one death out of 57. "The context here is the largest criminal inquiry in English history with 52 innocent victims dead, still double figures of people whose lives have been wrecked, four dead bombers and we can't let that one tragic death outweigh all others."
Brazilian investigators are to fly to London next week for talks with the IPCC to clarify conflicting reports of how he died at Stockwell station. - BBC
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Watchdog gives Met chief boost
By Roger Blitz Published: August 20 2005 03:00 | Last updated: August 20 2005 03:00
Pressure on Sir Ian Blair, the Met police commissioner, over the death of Jean Charles de Menezes, the Brazilian killed at Stockwell Tube station, eased yesterday when the body that monitors the Met offered its whole-hearted support.
With the family of Mr de Menezes again demanding Sir Ian's resignation, Len Duvall, the Metropolitan Police Authority chairman, gave unquestioned support to the force and its commissioner, saying that at the time of the shooting, on July 22, London was on high alert and that calculated risks had to be taken.
Mr Duvall said in a statement that "the brave, hardworking and professional men and women" of the Met who were spearheading anti-terrorist operations "deserve our continuing and wholehearted support".
Sir Ian also gave an interview in which he firmly rejected claims from lawyers of the victim's family of a cover-up. He also rejected accusations that he had lied about the circumstances of the Brazilian's death in a shoot-to-kill operation.
Investigators from Brazil are due in London next week to talk to the Independent Police Complaints Commission to discuss its inquiry into the shooting, details of which were this week leaked to the media.
The IPCC felt obliged to reveal on Thursday that it had had to fight off an initial challenge by Sir Ian to its right to investigate the shooting of Mr de Menezes.
Alessandro Pereira, a cousin of Mr de Menezes, said yesterday the police had told lies, including that the shot man was a suspected terrorist, that he looked like a suicide bomber because he wore a thick coat, and that he ran from police.
But Sir Ian told the London Evening Standard: "We have looked at what we have actually said about this incident. The number of features about heavyweight coats or hopping over barriers have never been said or confirmed by the Metropolitan Police Service.
"I did say there were direct links to the investigation and that is because he [Mr de Menezes] came out of the house that we had under surveillance."
The family's lawyers will step up pressure on Sir Ian next week when they hold a vigil outside Downing Street on Monday. They suspect a cover-up over the inquiry, and have raised questions about the Met's competence and its shoot-to-kill policy.
Sir Bill Morris, the former trade union leader who chaired an independent inquiry into professional standards in the Met, warned that the row between the police and the IPCC was in danger of undermining the fight against terrorism.
He called instead for more support for police officers. - FT.com
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Menezes family rejects $1m offer
02:40am 20th August 2005 - The parents of the Brazilian man gunned down by police at London's Stockwell Tube station have reportedly turned down a one million US dollars compensation offer from Scotland Yard for his mistaken shooting.
Jean Charles de Menezes, 27, was shot seven times in the head by police marksmen on July 22, but his parents Matozinho and Maria de Menezes are believed to have rejected the offer as an insult.
They told the Daily Mail newspaper: "We will not be bought off. We will not be silenced. This is not about money, this is about justice."
The paper said the Met's deputy assistant commissioner, John Yates, flew to Brazil two weeks ago to make the initial offer of payment.
But Yasmin Khan, of the Justice4Jean campaign, reportedly said it was flatly rejected: "Money was being bandied about, but was not accepted. The family felt it was insulting and was not prepared to be bought off. A sum of $1m was offered. Compensation is a given in such cases, but the money was not accepted.
"It is unbelievable that at the same time as the Met chief (Sir Ian Blair) is lying in Britain and misleading the public, he is also sending officers out to Brazil to offer money. It adds to our suspicions of a cover-up."
Scotland Yard refused to comment on any offer of compensation. Sir Ian has urged the public not to let furore over the death of Mr de Menezes "outweigh" the loss of many more lives in the London terror attacks. The under pressure officer, who has faced repeated calls for his resignation, once again rejected suggestions that police had been engaged in a cover-up following the fatal shooting of the Brazilian.
In an interview to be broadcast on Saturday, Sir Ian also said the Independent Police Complaints Commission investigation into the killing had not begun immediately because of the "unique situation". - Daily Mail
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Shot Brazilian compensation claim denied
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Police deny Menezes cash claims
Aug 20 2005 - Police have denied reports that they offered a million dollars in compensation to the family of Tube shooting victim Jean Charles de Menezes.
A Metropolitan Police spokesman said: "The only discussions we have had so far with the family of Jean Charles de Menezes have been about initial expenses. "We strongly refute any suggestion that a figure anywhere in the region of one million dollars has been offered as compensation."
The parents of the Brazilian man gunned down by police at London's Stockwell Tube station were reported to have turned down a one million US dollars compensation offer from Scotland Yard for his mistaken shooting. Jean Charles de Menezes, 27, was shot seven times in the head by police marksmen on July 22, but his parents Matozinho and Maria de Menezes were said to have rejected the offer as an insult. They told the Daily Mail newspaper: "We will not be bought off. We will not be silenced. This is not about money, this is about justice."
The paper said the Met's deputy assistant commissioner, John Yates, flew to Brazil two weeks ago to make the initial offer of payment.
But Yasmin Khan, of the Justice4Jean campaign, reportedly said it was flatly rejected: "Money was being bandied about, but was not accepted. The family felt it was insulting and was not prepared to be bought off. A sum of m was offered. Compensation is a given in such cases, but the money was not accepted.
"It is unbelievable that at the same time as the Met chief (Sir Ian Blair) is lying in Britain and misleading the public, he is also sending officers out to Brazil to offer money. It adds to our suspicions of a cover-up."
- icwales.icnetwork.co.uk
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